Dear All

I am afraid that shovaliye can not write his story to end so I continue it

"TA AYANDEGAN BEDANAND"

after him we have two pc's in department Annahita and Persepolis (old Annahita is still alive, I seen it in my previous travel to Shiraz in MSc. room a case with green margins ( and Persepolis, after farshad (it is more simpler for me to say farshad instead of shovaliye) graduation, we continue to build our site and to challenge with SUCC, we can construct our sub domain (cse.shirazu.ac.ir., and to do so I had to read a 200 pages manual for UNIX system and I hate UNIX and Linux that time) we can use our subnet and after many many many works we can use proxies ( we must configure them manually as first experience of internet in shiraz and university and without any source to study or any one to ask), we buy 3 Pentium computers and connect them to the internet and fight with department to achieve permission for BSc students to work with these PC'c with internet this is the first pc room of department without Novel (heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey) This room was located in one of the current serer rooms, server room is build up from three rooms and I tell about it later). Students tyro to reserver computers for that room and we have time reservation system there. In pc room (current pc room is located the same place of old pc room) as farshad said we have some 286 pc's with text intenet access via NOVEL-NT bridge that we configure (this is farshad's favorite word it in server room.

After these works, we collect some brilliant students to create first CSE website and these students after some years upgraded to CSE network administrators, MTG, MATT, HA and NP.

Then we build new pc room and upgrade all pc's to a computer with windows boot up ability (upgrading these computers has different story and I hope some one some day told it to new students).

NOVEL was removed form that site and we have pure windows system. This system takes us unbelievable time to construct and to maintain ( I remember hat some days I try to install windows about 10 or 11 times to our new server (ariana) because of its faulty ram to troubleshoot it before Saturday).

Then we connect profs room to our network and we have our mail server (pasargad) and our gateway to the new internet world (persepolis). I remember some of our greatest days that me and MATT can download internet explore 4.0 (about 40 or 60 Mb I think) in nowrooz holydays after 4 days or when Dr. zolghadri fins wget (one of the first robots on internet, I remember that farshad told us now when wget works Iran's backbone is down because of its hungry nature)

And at the end, after about 2 years at the department, we ATTACK kharazmi computer center (when Dr. Javadpor became engineering school chairman) and rebuild it and create the greatest student computer site in Middle East (NIMNEGAH news paper archive)

I thick I can continue it to told you more stories about cse network construction, but I have no time now.

C U l8er

Dear Folks

I think AliH has more important jobs not to go on with the rest of story:

Memory of those days will never be forgotten. Nights of no sleep to upgrade servers, to install new
services, to troubleshoot bugs and to reconstruct the network. I think many of the board users have
never seen the very first days. Days in which a speed of more than 100 Bytes/Second was as rare as
alchemy.

Anyhow, after getting KCC many students were involved to handle different parts of work.
A.Hamzeh, A. Najafi, H. Mahmoodi, M. Sarmadi, A. Nikseresht, B. Haghhooee, M. Memariani, N. Parsa,
P. Zahadat, E. Azad, M. Ghasemi, A. Nikneshan, and many others I can't name one by one.
Only a few of them are now in the school. In the further steps, CSE students achieved shining results
in the network management and network related services.
We spent lots of our holidays, our spare time to fix problems, in both CSE and KCC, and other places

CSE and KCC internal and external routing enhanced, caching Proxy servers optimized,
web based services, more flexible scripts for user management and different
policies were prepared by both Windows and Linux administrators. Manipulating users accounts (timing, services),
bringing softwares to work by proper cracks or tricks, excellents downloads of required softwares,
writing new programs which were necessary, troubleshooting faulty network equipments, and so on.

I remember,
In the dept, there was no hammer to fix the network cables on the wall. In KCC there was no
multimeter to check network cables. Those are only a few of much more problems we encountered
and we had to solve. We had to use anything available, even pay by our own money.
The backbones were changed to fibre optic cables. We got more and more bandwidth.
KCC became the biggest consumer of University Internet. Although after one or two years
many other student sites were established in the university, none of them were/are as big as KCC
and none of them serve such number of users as KCC does (2000 students at the time of writing
this post).

We persisted to upgrade hardware of workstations. When we began, there was only one station
with floppy disk in the KCC. Users had a little home (less than 5MB, i think) on a depricated Novell Server. And they could
not have KCC account until 4th or 5th semester.
We gave out accounts even to zero-year students, with at least 25-30MB at first. It was the biggest
Windows domain as far as I know. Almost no Win domain were serving with such number of
users, such scale of services and such time table for serving students (24 hours for 6 days a week).

ITMC computer center got connected via a tunnel. A continuous challenge between a bunch of
volunteer computer students and fossilized employees(!) began.
We had to show University employees that they do not know much, that they should update
their information, that they should upgrade their old services due to fast growing nature of computer
related topics. And that still continues.

After years of work many important parts in the university network either got under control of CSE guys
or manipulated under CSE guys' consultation, and I hope that the developement of human resources
continue in the Computer Sciences and Engineering dept.

No matter how much users nag, how many problems exist, how far you have to go. It is important
that you do your best to learn and to serve others with results of your works. That's why
we do not mind much about users complains. We have to consider the technical issues.

Because there are many reasons, users never see or never understand, even
if described precisely. I just promise that we did our best during last 8 years (me 5.5 years myself) to be better
everyday. And i do apologize if it was not always possible to describe what goes behind.

Unfotunately, some students are seen that expect to become, for example an administrator,
without paying the price. There were lots of them those days who were left behind when they
did not try to learn much out of their own experience. And in fact, such people never proceed.

Those results won't be in your hands, when we leave, if you do not try to get skillful.

I completed the story to show you that you must do it yourself, to change your
environment as you like, to become a challenger, to be a pioneer.

Just watch out! Those who made all these were only students like you.
Many things we did was from scratch, based on our trial-and-error, by reading internet documents and books.
There was/is no one between faculty members and employees who can learn you so much.

Never tell yourselves there is no one to ask, no book to read. Just make a move and focus.

Yours
M.T.G

Real Users never know what they want, but they always know when your program
doesn't deliver it